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Posté Lun 13 Mar 2006
Qui connait ce MC originaire d' Oakland (bay area) ? pas grand monde je suppose, et c'est pas surprenant tellement son parcours artistique est chaotique.

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Aprés des premiers faits d'armes encourageants sur les albums "the body hat syndrome" de Digital Underground et "fear itself" de Casual (du crew Hieroglyphics), plus une apparition dans le film et la B.O. de Menace II Society, il enchainera rapidement sur son album solo "boxcar sessions" sur le label Qwest records.

Il s'entourera alors de ce qui constituera le crew Hobo Junction (J Groove, Jay-Z, Rashinel, Big Nose, and Poke Marshall) et notamment Jay-Z (rien à voir avec qui vous savez) qui produit en grande partie cet album.

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un album incomparable par le mélange entre le flow rugueux de Saafir et les productions jazzy mais définitivement hardore de Jay-Z et J Groove.

malheureusement, cet album sera un échec commercial et le cercle du public de Saafir restera confidentiel.

S'en suit une période où il sera plus occupé par le développement de Hobo Junction mais on le retrouvera également en collaboration sur les albums de X-Zibit ou Ras Kass avec qui il forme les Golden State Warriors mais dont les projets d'album ne seront jamais concrétisés.

Il revienr en solo en 98 avec l'album "trigonometry" sous le pseudo de Mr No No et l'année suivante pour l'album "the hit list" sous son premier nom de scène.

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il semblerait que Saafir se soit retiré du rap game récemment, aprés quelques derniers morceaux avec Ras Kass et X-Zibit et la sortie en 2002 des "unreleased boxcar sessions".


discographie complète de Saafir et de Hobo Junction : ici

bientôt, quelques sons à télécharger.
Posté Lun 13 Mar 2006
j savais pas du tout qu'il avait fait des abums lui...

j le connais juste comme membre de "Golden State Warriors" avec Ras Kass & Xzibit (Three Card Molly elle déboitait cte chanson)
Posté Lun 13 Mar 2006
ouai je connais se mec, ces album donne quoi?
Posté Lun 13 Mar 2006
son premier album est trés impressionant. j'ai eu du mal au début parce que c'est un style que je trouve unique mais maintenant, il me met une claque à chaque fois que je l'écoute.

j'ai écouté "the hit list", qui est pas mauvais, mais il n'a pas le même style de prods et ce n'est plus trop ma tasse de thé. (en même temps, je suis pas un grand connaisseur de west coast).
Posté Lun 13 Mar 2006


merci va falloir trouver "boxcar sessions" alors
Posté Lun 13 Mar 2006
je me rappelle qu'une fois, mon père à qui il arrive (arrivait) de m'emprunter des albums, l'avait écouté et il avait fait une tronche bizarre.

c'est sûr que c'est pas le genre d'album à mettre dans des oreilles pas averties.
Posté Lun 13 Mar 2006
un premier son de "boxcar sessions" : 08_Worship_the_D
un titre qui est bien dans l'ambiance général de l'album.


pour ceux qui comprennent bien l'anglais :
le beef entre Saafir et Casual, apparament c'est un extrait d'un livre de Casual.

"When that beef started, it was between Casual and Safir, and it really started because I didn't want to be on his album. (This is the first time I told anyone this.) Truth is, I asked Saafir to be on my album because he was my boy at the time. But in the short time we kicked it, I seen he was a fake ass nigga. I mean, I met Saafir, through A+. I needed some weed one day, and Plee was like, "my nigga got bomb." I was like, "Who," Plee was like, "this nigga Saafir, he be trying to rap and shit." I'm like, "cool." Saafir was a "street nigga" so when we met we was cool like that from the gate. I mean, I was blowing my money on weed and he had fat sacks, so we started to see each other often. We started to kick too. That nigga had a clean ass white 72 malibu, I had a 80 Z28 Camaro. And we was on some "nigga your shit ain't as tight as mine!" shit. Chillin though, now here comes the bullshit. First out, it took me a minute to notice how much this nigga was bashing 2 Pac (Pac was alive then). I would have been like, "yeah whatever" but this nigga and Tupac was really boys. He would tell me stories about how Tupac punked out and he had to whoop some niggas for him, hella shit like that. But I'm sitting there like, "damn I thought this nigga was Pac dogg?" Anyway his boastfullness and his betrayal qualities were starting to surface, I was like "I ain't fuckin' with dude know more"(subconsciencly). This is about the time he asked me to be on his album, I tell no lie, when he called, I was layed up. He asked me to come to the studio at bout 8. I was like "alright," but I really was thinkin', "damn, I don't wanna go." I called that dude back at about 7:45 and threw some drama about how I couldn't make it and he should work on something else. He was like whatever. A few days later I got a call from Sasfir, I was at Domino's house playing video games. I answered the phone, "Hello"? he was like, "Blood you wrong fa fakin' on me." I was like "what?! (still talking calmly), he said, "You made me lose money the other night." My sense went off instantly. Before I replied I was thinking "damn, he trying to play me, i fucked up," and to keep it real, i replied (verbatim) "Dude you putting too much on it." This is when the calm broke. "Too much on it!!!!!!!!! Nigga what!!! How am I putting too much on it? etc. blah blah nigga blah nigga!!!!!!!!" Next think I know, I got beef with these niggas.

Now every time I seen them niggas in the street, I was with some nigga that they probably didn't expect me to know. To keep it real, this shit was big, it was all in the streets, every body I knew was talking about this beef I had with Ssafir. Niggas started really fonkin'. The cold part is, them niggas was from Fresno, I was born and raised in Oakland. Don't get it twisted, Fresno is gangsta,
but when you start some beef with a well known artist, in the streets of his home city, its gonna be problems. What everyone didn't know is, me and Saafir would speak on occasions. If I seen that nigga in the club, I would always address him first, like "Whats up Saafir?" He would be like,"sup nigga" and we would go on about our business, no prob. But when other members of our crews seen each other there would be confrontations. It was all typa shit. (Buy the Book when it come out!)

Saafir came to my house in North Oakland a few days before the battle, bout 8:30.pm. I looked through the peep hole and said, "Hell haw!!!!!!" I went and grabbed that little 380 he was rappin bout, and tucked it in the pocket of my Hiero hoodie. I opend the doe', this nigga was like "blood i need to holla at you," i was like, "alright." We went outside, I'm thinking its about to get grimey. I see this nigga got his homie sitting in the car bout 15 feet away, I got my hand in my pocket, heart just pounding, then this nigga gonna start talking about his rap strategy!!!! "I'm gonna kick some written shit Cas, how you comin'?" This was the weirdest Hip Hop beef moment. I was like "What!! I'm coming freestyle dogg."

The night of the imfamous Wake Up Show Battle, dudes heard that and was coming out the woodworks!!! I tell know lie, when we entered the studio room before the battle it was Hiero and Hobo. After that two hour broadcast we exited the studio and it was all typa niggas, nigga from the block, niggas I was raised with, dudes I hadn't seen since the second fuckin' grade was like, " you alright my nigga?" Seagram(R.I.P), a local rapper at the time, was in the lobby of KMEL Punking them niggas!!! Dudes road all the way from Vallejo to San Fran to hold me down. It was big. The only thing that was in the back of my head was, them horrible freestyles I was kicking. I was so dissapointed in Kmel, Tech, Sway, Saafir, and mostly, myself. I don't know why, but I felt exploited. It really was the single biggest event in Wake Up Show history. And I didn't see how me or Saafir would benifit. After I was like, "Thats it?!! Did the beef end with the broadcast? Damn was this shit staged? Written ass raps? Hell naw!"



P.S.: j'avais acheté cet album sur amazon (y'a 2 ans environ), mais là, ça a l'air d'être plus chaud pour se le dégoter.
Posté Lun 13 Mar 2006
J'connais pas du tout !

Alalalala mon ignorance me perdra :lol:
Posté Lun 13 Mar 2006
un 2eme son : 09_Light_Sleeper
une ambiance moins sombre pour ce titre qui était le single de l'album.
Posté Lun 13 Mar 2006
Je les découvert ds le film Menace 2 Society ou il joue le role du cousin de Caine et il se fait descendre sur Creenshaw Boulevardet de là g acheter un album ki est vraiment terrible
Posté Lun 13 Mar 2006


merci pour les sons j vais écouter ça tt à l'heure
Posté Mar 25 Avr 2006
Up :coucou:
Posté Mar 25 Avr 2006
Les liens ne marchent plus. Personne ne pourrait remettre des sons de lui?
Posté Mar 25 Avr 2006


co-sign, je connais pas du tout :heuh:
Posté Dim 04 Mar 2007
Très bon topic que je re up pour faire une presentation plus détaillée du Boxcar Sessions qui est une vraie tuerie :

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Boxcar Sessions ( 1994 )

Un album de haute volée avec une saveur eastcoast, des tracks avec des jazzy cuts, et Saafir qui excelle dans un style battle rhyme, un album à conseiller pour ceux qui appécient Fear Itself de Casual, No Need For Alarm de Del ou encore 93 Til' Infinity des Souls Of Mischief ou tout simplement pour ceux qui écoutent du ATCQ ou du Organized Konfusion, le seul defaut du skeud et ça reste un détail ce sont quelques skits un peu saoulants qui cassent le rythme. En tout cas encore un trésor enfoui des mid 90's.

Tracklist :

1.Grab The Train
2.Swing Of The Stew
3.Poke Martian
4.Playa Hata
5.Pee Wee
6.Battle Drill
7.Westside
8.Workship The D
9.Light Sleeper
10.Rashinel
11.Can You Feel Me?
12.No Return ( Goin' Crazy )
13.Big Nose
14.Just Riden'
15.Hype Shit
16.Real Circus
17.Bent
18.Instructor
19.Joint Custody

Clip :


Light Sleeper


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